INTERVIEW: The Yardbirds Jim McCarty talks about Roger the Engineer - 10.5.21
Preceding the pending release of The Yardbirds 50th Anniversary Super Deluxe Edition of their classic 1966 album Roger The Engineer released on the Demon Music Group label, Gigslutz speaks to their drummer Jim McCarty to discuss his upbringing, the background to recording plus what he’s up to now:
Hi Jim, how has
your 2020 and 2021 been so far?
This year and last
year have been very tough for me, as I lost my wife to Cancer last June.
We were very close,
and ever since have been learning methods to communicate with her, which has
actually been going well. Going to be working with Dave Thompson on another
book about it.
I’m really sorry to
hear that sad news Jim, I hope the new year can bring you abit more happiness
in the new year. We’re here to talk all things Yardbirds; can you expand a
little on your upbringing and were you in bands before you joined The
Yardbirds?
My parents were not
very musical, but they would listen to BBC radio, and things like “Family
Favourites” was always a good source of music- mostly classical. I didn’t get
into drums until I joined the Boys Brigade as a teenager and was captivated by
the snare drum.
Nobody influenced me,
and I bought my first “drum kit” for £11 from an advert in the local paper.
Then I was able to play US rock and roll with some guys at school, including
Paul Samwell- Smith, who later became bass player in the Yardbirds. We had a
band at school (Hampton Grammar) and played American rock stuff like Eddie
Cochran, Elvis and Johnny Cash.
How did you
join The Yardbirds?
I lost touch with Paul
Samwell- Smith when I left school, but one day I met him by chance in a local
pub. He invited me to come back to his house and he played me the recording of
“Jimmy Reed live at the Carnegie Hall”. I was very impressed- I thought that
this was rock music, but with a lot of raw emotion.
We heard more and more
“R and B” music (Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Muddy water etc) that was coming into
the UK on an “underground” level. He started a group with Keith Relf, as singer
and harmonica player called “the Metropolis Blues Quartet” and I saw them and
was impressed with Keith. Keith was at Kingston Art School, as was Top Topham
and Chris Dreja. These last two I met in a pub in Kingston, Surrey, and we
decided to form a band.
After a very short
time our two bands amalgamated to form the first line- up of the Yardbirds.
How did Jeff Beck
join the band?
Eric (Clapton) was a
huge blues fan and didn’t like “For Your Love”. The rest of us really liked it
and we tried to get Jimmy Page for the band. He was busy as a session musician
and recommended Jeff Beck. Jeff was great and suited the way the band wanted to
go- making the “blues “more interesting
The build up to
recording Roger the Engineer was in and around a period of some magnificent
albums being released including Revolver by The Beatles, Pet Sounds by The
Beach Boys and A Quick One by The Who. Were any albums of the period
a direct influence on what The Yardbirds were doing?
I particularly liked
all those albums you mentioned- but I don’t think we were influenced by those.
It was actually the first time we had the opportunity to go in and make an
album, as opposed to a single, which was deemed much more important in those
days.
How did the band
write the music that appeared on the album? Did you each have ideas for the
individual songs or did you thrash out demos as a band, can you run through the
process at this period of the band?
Around 50% of the
songs recorded were those we played live, which were quite easy as they were
already well rehearsed. We made some small adjustments here and there, mainly
to the lyrics. The rest of the songs we made up more or less in the studio,
having fun with them at the same time.
Quite interesting that
we had a lot of percussive fun with the song “He’s Always There”, which was
really the first song I ever wrote, and many years later it was sampled by the
Pussycat Dolls for their big hit “When I Grow Up”.
Whenever we had a
spare moment on the road, we would get out the percussion and “jam away” for
half an hour or so!
How was the
recording process of the album? Did it take long from recording the album to
its physical release?
The album didn’t take
long at all; I guess there were quite strict budget limits in those days. I
can’t remember how long it took to come out. As I said before albums weren’t
really that important in those days as far as the record companies were concerned;
they usually consisted of a set of songs surrounding your latest single.
Why did you choose
Advision Studios?
No idea why Advision-
maybe Simon Napier Bell suggested it as he had worked there before on “What’s
New Pussycat”.
Did Chris Dreja
draw the picture of Roger out of the blue or was it a planned drawing?
Chris and I wanted to
be involved with the cover, as we all wanted to contribute our “talents” to the
project
Were you pleased
with the reaction the album received when it was originally released in 1966?
Yes pleased with the
reaction to the album when it got released, but as I said before there didn’t
seem to so much interest in albums at that time.
How has it been
looking back on the album for the reissue?
Looking back on it and
hearing it again, I can understand why it became a bit of a classic. It does
really encapsulate what the Yardbirds were all about- with the best line- up.
Do you still like
the album? What do you think the albums legacy is?
I think the album
really stands out now as a classic, sort of “underworked” and spontaneous. We
certainly had a chemistry which worked at that particular time.
What are your
favourite tracks from the new reissue?
My favourite tracks
are probably the “Nazz” and “Jeff’s Boogie”
What are your plans
for the rest of 2021?
I still like to write
songs and play now and then. There is a Yardbirds line-up consisting of me plus
four very fine US musicians. Hopefully back doing shows at the end of 2021.
Finally, what are
you listening to on your turntable at present?
I still love to hear
the old blues and soul songs of the early sixties, but since my wife died, I’ve
played a lot of classical stuff- Debussy, Satie etc (I live in France!).
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